Thelonious: Hey, everyone! Thanks for joining Thelonious Legend
blogspot. Today we have a special guest. We have Deron Bennett of ANDWorld
Design. Deron could you tell us a little bit about what you do for
AndWorld Design?
Deron: Basically it's a lettering studio that I run. I perform various letterings that we use for different comic book companies, including
DC,
Boom,
Slash,
Archie and a couple independents as well. Lettering, for
those of you that don't know, is where printing of any of the script
text, dialogue, sound effects and things of that nature that go into a
comic book. Essentially without a letterer you would not be able to read
comics. So that's my job and responsibility there. I also do design
work as well, creating logos and advertisements for the company.
Thelonious: I guess it would be safe to say you have a creative background?
Deron: Yes. Originally I went to school at
Savannah College of Art Design.
Initially, I was trying to get into the business as a pencil-er. But I
fell in love with lettering, early on in my career, got into font design
and all the creative processes going into lettering. I also have taught graphic design,
because they're so similar. The mediums are so similar. Essentially
when you’re lettering its sort of thinking from a graphic design
standpoint. All the sound effects and stuff have the same similarities
that you’re trying to get across when you're doing graphic design. All
the conventions you use in comics as well. It's a creative medium I've
got my background in, but I also do graphic design as well and website
design, clothing. Due to what I've done in comics.
Thelonious: Why did you choose the medium of comics to display your talents?
Deron:
Growing up I've always loved drawing. That was my big thing. Everybody
was like "Oh you're gonna be an artist, you're gonna be this, you're gonna be that." I wanted to do animation,
initially and be the next Walt Disney. After a while, when I was in
middle school. I got into writing a lot. I wanted to write. Seeing a
medium that combined the two so well and so perfectly. Where I can tell a
story through my illustrations. It just dawned on me that this is where
I wanted to be. This is what I wanted to do. And I've been loving it
ever since.
Thelonious: You're a comic book fan?
Deron: Yes
Thelonious: Who was the first hero that you identified with that every
week and every month you needed change to go to the store and buy that
comic book?
Deron: Milestone comics was my first passion for actual comic books. Before that I was really into
Calvin and Hobbes. comic
strips and things. I would read
Heathcliff, and all those newspaper
comics. I liked the funnies. That sort of transitioned when somebody
brought to my attention Milestone comics. Picking up
Static, picking up
Hardware and all the rest of the titles.
Icon. I had a whole run of each of
the titles.
Thelonious: I had the whole run too. And for those of you who know
Milestone comics was the spinoff of the DC comic. Basically it was based
out of North Dakota, which was a city. You just had this rich rich
characters. From this universe. For whatever reason it never quite took off. And the most popular character was Static Shock. Milestone, unfortunately was discontinued. But if you don't know about Milestone,
you should do some research on it. I think you'll be pleased. The
characters were great! They were three dimensional, diverse. You had gay
characters, you had black characters and Asian characters. A lot of the
subject matter that you see today Milestone was way ahead of the time.
Just thought I'd throw that in there. So now what current projects are
you working on that we should be aware of?
Deron: Right now I am working on a couple of different books that I'm
lettering, I'm doing a
Flash Broadcast with Boom and Archie. I am also
doing
Thomas Elsop, and that's a great supernatural thriller that's
also from Boom Comics. I'm doing a few DC projects. I do a lot of their
digital work. I do
He-Man and the masses of the universe. So I'm involved
in a few different things that I've been working on. Amazon has their
imprint, their Amazon publishing
imprint.
Jet City that they've just started and I do a lot of work with them.
We've put out recently and a couple of things from
George RR Martin.
And a lot of different things that are coming up. A lot of smaller
publishers that are doing bigger things. And I'm really excited to be
apart of it. I've also finished up my own comic that I've put out there.
You know, just me doing the whole thing from start to finish. As far as
producing it I've hired an artist
Dan Mora, who just signed on with me
to do text re-publishing.
Paul Little to do the coloring and Arty
Randolph to do the cover for that issue. An amazing team I got to work
with and that got to bring my story to life. It's out on
Comixology
right now. I'm doing it digitally, and there are also prints available
through my website and through the Facebook site.
Thelonious: We're actually gonna post all your links. So all you comic
book fans, and especially for all you
Games of Thrones fans. Anybody
who's associated with the Game of Thrones please
go to the links after the interview and show Mr. Bennett some love. We
need to have his vision out there. We talk about diversity in comic book
characters and diversity in film and diversity in literature. This is
your chance to play a part.
Wool was basically a self-published series
of short stories. Wasn't it Mr.Venice?
Deron: Wool was actually a written novel by turned into a graphic novel
by
Hugh Howey. I'm not sure if it was part of an anthology. I know the
comic was done by a single creative team. So it wasn't a multiple
creative team process there. But it's the terrific story that people
should be getting into because it's a lot of thought provoking things
going along in there that really resonate.
Thelonious: Right, and if you're a fan of dystopian literature and if
you're a self-published writer, Hugh Howey is somebody you need to be
familiar with. He basically published all his stuff on his own and put
it out for free. He just did a whole paradigm shift on how to sell and
market. Totally different from some New York Publishing Houses. And if you're with him, I
think that's a big plus and again I urge anyone to check out Hugh Howey, to
check out Mr. Bennett and find what projects they're associated in,
because Hugh Howy pretty much defined self publishing for the next decade and It's just so exciting you're associated with them.
Deron: Thank you, thank you. Yes, that's definitely something people
should be checking out because it changed the way, we can go about
self-publishing. Printing out our own works. It's really a fun way of
coming about things. I'm glad you're giving him that credit, because
it's definitely something to check out.
Thelonious: And this has been a special week for comic book fans.
Especially for women and minorities. Actually I would say for everybody,
because anytime you introduce diversity it's a benefit for everybody.
But unfortunately there has been some negativity associated with the
changing of the
Hammer, if you will from a man to a woman. And also the
changing of
Captain America being now
Sam Wilson, who was formerly the
Falcon. What are you're feelings about that, that you would like to
share with the listeners?
Deron: Whenever there's a big change I think people sort of react.People want to fight change at any point and in any kind of a
industry. Change can be something that people are against, initially.
Because with change we introduce new characters who people can come to
love and want to follow these characters in their own way. People who
are rebelling against this change of
Thor, being a woman. I understand
where they're coming from, to the women who just want a new female
character or other male counterparts, saying just can we get a new
character. But it's been done before.
Thor's been changed before. Thor's
been a frog. I mean, it's really crazy the backlash against this form of
fiction. Basically, you can do anything in a comic and why turn your
head when something good and positive can come out of it.
Thelonious: This whole discussion reminds me of what happened on
Fox News, a few months back, where somebody said that
Santa Clause was
black, and Fox News actually had a panel arguing for the record Santa Clause is white. And I was like for the record Santa Clause is fiction.
Deron: Yes, exactly. People outrage against the craziest things. They
hold on to these fictional characters like they're real. Sometimes you
just have to let go a little bit. It's a fun medium, that's why I got
into it. The creativity, all the great things that come out of it. You
know just to have fun with it. Enjoy new characters with new story
lines. We've been enjoying the old Thor for years. We've been enjoying
the old Cap for years. Let's see what happens with this new run.
Thelonious: And nothing stays the same.
Duran: Right
Thelonious: And I think a lot of the push back is that they're more than
characters. They're symbols right. So, Captain America is blonde hair
blue eyes all American. You know honor. A lot of people that identify
with him, you take that away from them and they rail against it.
Deron: Yes
Thelonious: And some of the anger and confusion might be justified. But
as far as criticism and the hate that I've been hearing and seeing. I
think that goes against everything comic books are about..
Deron:
Yes, comic books should embrace diversity and I think that it's
something people have been asking for, but once it happens people kind
of start to panic. You know "What's going on? They're changing!" Well
you ask for diversity. So let's see some.
Thelonious: Here's my issue with it. It's that I think it's an easy out
for Marvel. I think there's a rich catalog of characters they could draw
from. Whether it's the
Wasp, coming from the female side. Or whether
it's
Luke Cage. Now I wasn't a big fan of Luke Cage back in the 70's
because he was a character who was basically a caricature. But in
the last decade or so they've really made his character three
dimensional. I know
Netflix is doing a collection of heroes and Luke
Cage is one of them. So when I see a lot of people celebrating and jumping
on the bandwagon, and I get it because I'm enthusiastic as well.
Because Captain America and Thor, they're icons and symbols and they
pretty much defined Marvel Universe for more than a couple of
generations. But also there's a part of me, the Milestone part, that
wants to see characters written by a diverse cast, a diverse group. grow
from Inception whether it's spider-man being bit to where he is now and see that audience grow with it. So there's a microwave solution of
the changing of the hammer, and there's the solution of what Milestone
did. Start new characters from scratch, build them and then build an
audience with them. Which I don't know if that's a good example, because
Milestone is no longer here. But I guess that would be my only
argument.
Deron: Yeah
Thelonious: Any thing that brings diversity I'm for. So I don't want to rain on any one's parade And there are a lot of characters that people
might identify with if Marvel spent more resources or even DC for that matter.
Deron: Yes. Indeed I think that you definitely hit the nail on the
head with looking at characters like Luke Cage, and
we should be seeing more of that. These characters should be getting
they're own spotlight. I know that a lot of people are pointing out the
Storm is getting her own series and things of that nature.
Thelonious: Storm has been one of my favorite characters for a long time.
Deron: Yes and I think fans have been waiting for this sort of thing. It's
really up to the companies to start pushing these things. I think that's
sort of the problem with Milestone, they were a little a head of there
time and didn't get the big push behind the DC imprint as necessary. I
don't know, I was a young guy back then. I couldn't tell you the ins and
outs of the business behind the scene. But you know if you told people
back then about the books, nobody knew about them. But they knew about
Superman.
Thelonious: Yeah, there was a lot going on and they did a crossover with
DC. I was a big fan of Icon,
BloodSyndicate, Hardware, Static and
all the titles, I got all of them. I think that if it happened again
today, where the production cost is down, the distribution cost is down.
There's social media to reach more fans. I think it'd be viable today.
Deron: Oh yeah
Thelonious: But I'm glad it happened. I think we're all better for it, I
mean it found you. And it made me a fan of comics. I'm glad it happened
and I'd like to see it happen again. Whether it does or doesn't, that's
not for me to say. But any time you broaden the spectrum and fan base, I
think it's a good thing.
Deron: Yeah, that's definitely positive. It is definitely the way things
should go. Expand not only the audience, but also spread appreciation
and understanding of different cultures and the people behind them.
Thelonious: For our listeners, where can they find you at today?
Deron: I am frequently on twitter and also on Facebook I have a page setup. That would
www.facebook.com/codthecomic.
We can have that available on the website, for people to follow. I am
readily available on social media. Twitter is the way you can find me,
interacting with the community, letting people know my thoughts. Definitely reach out to me, I'd be glad to engage.
Thelonious: What we are going to do is provide everyone with you're
links. We are going to get those from you. What I'd like to do is start
up a twitter conversation in a couple of weeks. You could drive the
conversation. If you have any other people who are doing diverse comic
books, and they wanna be involved I'd think it'd be great. It's an
especially exciting time right now for comic book fans. I'd think it'd
help to generate interest for you and what you're doing. Also, to give
people food for thought, as far as what's been going on before. So they
can appreciate what's happening now.
Deron: Yes. That sounds great.
Thelonious: Yeah, I'd like to do that in a couple of weeks. So what I'd
ask you to do, is to get like 2 or 3 guys, you know get those twitter
followers. And we'll announce it on all of our blogs. We'll just have a
comic book diversity chat. And we'll come up with a hashtag.
Deron: Right
Thelonious: That's not much specialty but we'll come up with the hashtag
and talk diversity in comic books. You and your crew can help drive the
discussion. I'd just like to participate as a fan.
Deron: Yeah
Thelonious: Any thing I can do to drive that. Just let me know I'll be happy to coordinate it.
Deron: That sounds really good. I'll be glad to help out
Thelonious: Thank you Mr. Bennett I know you're busy, I've been trying to
get you all week and I'm glad we waited, because we had a lot to
discuss. Again, I'd like to work with you on driving some type of
twitter chat about diversity in comics. If you could get some guys to
help out twitter followings. Everyone's that listening, I will be having
all of Mr. Bennett's information on my blog, and I'll tweet it out.
Deron: Sounds great! Thanks for having me.
Thelonious: I'm glad we hooked up. This was exciting for me. This was
like talking to a basketball player. To talk to someone who does what
you admire.Thanks for allowing to have this discussion with you.
Deron: Thanks, again! I appreciate it.